Суд над Бхагавад-гитой / Attempt to ban Bhagavad-gita
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/ #12792011-12-18 00:30SP: Who is initiating. (3 sec. pause) His grand-disciple. Sat: Yes. (5 sec. pause) Then we have a question conc-. Note: Please keep in mind, Tamala had just told Satsvarupa that the new devotees were Prabhupada's disciples. That was very clear at this time. So even though these last words cannot be interpreted (cuts may have been made), Satsvarupa had heard all he wanted to and so is going on to the next question. Some tampering may have been done on all these sentences. Why would Satsvarupa have gone onto the next point? This last statement could not have made sense to him. Further questions would have been necessary. At least we could expect that Tamala would have been in there clarifying the statement further if there was even the slightest hint that he was going to be a guru. The whole conversation has very unnatural sound to it and so we know it was heavily tampered with. But as yet we have not found out who did it. But we win. SP: When I order you become guru, he becomes regular guru. That's all. Note: The GBC tried to interpret the following June tape as that "order" mentioned here as though Prabhupada had all of a sudden changed the whole philosophy and decided that pure devotees can be appointed after all. It is significant that Prabhupada uses the term "regular guru." As of yet we have not found an exact definition for that term from the books. It can be taken as a guru under regulations or as an ordinary guru which would mean siksa-guru. It can't possibly mean a diksa-guru since diksa-gurus are not appointed or ordered. It is significant that all these answers are to Tamale's question-the first clear question. But the answers in this chopped up tape do not confirm any conclusion and so more in needed. So even though Prabhupada said, "that's all", they needed to add the following sentence to clinch the appointment theory. SP: (7 sec. delay) He becomes...(inaudible word(s))...disciple of my disciple. (Click) just see. Note: This fine is an obvious dub. Not only does the background noise drop out, but the speed and tone of Prabhupada's voice dramatically changes also. The "just see" is again in a radically different tone and volume from the previous words. This tape was the only "evidence" the "gurus" ever had to support their claim to divinity. This can be proven, and when it is, the conspirators will be facing serious charges in court. Sat: Next we have a question about the GBC. (end tape) Note: There are some very significant points to bring out about this tape. One is that Prabhupada's health and speech were not bad at this time and it would have been no problem to ask more specific questions to seek proper clarification. There are so many good reasons why it is obvious that this tape was tampered with. One is, if it was not tampered with, why was it not available to everyone? It was extremely well guarded. This would have been just the opposite if it actually said what they claimed. But because they were unable to make a good dubbing job, they kept it super-confidential. It is available however from DAS if anyone doubts the validity of this transcript. When Sridhar Maharaja told Jayapataka that a ritvik guru does not make one an initiating guru later, Jayapataka told Sridhar Maharaja, referring to this tape: "Prabhupada has given explicit desires." Sridhar Maharaja believed him, and from the conversation that immediately ensued, the entire bogus guru manifesto was compiled. JUNE TAPE Tam: Srila Prabhupada, we are receiving a number of letters now. People are wanting to get initiated. So, up until now, since you were becoming ill, we asked them to wait. SP: The local senior sannyasis can. Tam: That's what we were doing formerly. The local GBC sannyasis were chanting on their beads and they were writing to Your Divine Grace. And you were giving a spiritual name. So should that process be resumed or should we...(There is an interlude where Tamala discusses the spiritual master taking the disciple's karma). That's why we've been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time. SP: No. Senior sannyasis. Tam: So they should continue to... SP: You can bring me a list of sannyasis, I will mark. You can do, Kirtanananda can do...(word?) Satsvarupa can do. So (pause) these three can do. Tam: So supposing someone is in America. Should they simply write directly to Kirtanananda or Satsvarupa. SP: Nearby. Jayatirtha can do. Tam: Jayatirtha. SP: (word?)...Bhagavan can do. Tam: Bhagavan. SP: And he can do also (pause). Harikesh. Tam: Harikesh Maharaja. SP: Five, six men divide. Who is nearest. Tam: Who is nearest. So persons wouldn't have to write to Your Divine Grace. They could write directly to that person. SP: (hmmm) Tam: Actually, they are initiating the person on Your Divine Grace's behalf. SP: Hmmm. Tam: Those persons who are initiated are still your-. SP: Second initiation. We shall think. Second. Tam: This is for first initiation. Okay. And for second initiation, for the time being we should-. SP: Again have to wait. Second initiation, that should be... Tam: Some devotees are writing you now for second initiation. And I'm writing them to wait a while, because you are not well. So can I continue to tell them that? SP: They can do second initiation. Tam: By writing you? SP: No. These men. Tam: These men. They can also do second initiation. So there's no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who would give initiation is doing so on your behalf. SP: Yes. Tam: You know that book I'm maintaining of all your disciples' names? Should I continue that? SP: Hmmm. Tam: So if someone gives initiation, like Harikesh Maharaja, he should send the person's name to us here, and I'll enter it in the book. (Long pause) Is there someone else in India that you want to do this. SP: India I am here we shall see. In India-Jayapataka. |
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