SACPCMP must fall

Comments

#202

I have submitted my documents in 2015 till to this date i have received nothing and then I got an email saying i was a candidate. I was surprised cause I've been practising safety for the past 5 years.people who just came yesterday are registers

(Witbank, 2017-08-19)

#203

long wait for exam dates

(Secunda, 2017-08-19)

#204

It is a money making scheme. Why do you need to pay for your own profession.

(Secunda, 2017-08-19)

#209

I want to register but the fees requested is to high

(Secunda, 2017-08-19)

#210

SACPCMP must fall

(Polokwane , 2017-08-19)

#211

SACPCMP is a joke

(Witbank, 2017-08-19)

#212

I can't afford to pay for my own studies, I don't understand why I have to keep paying sacpcmp, let them their are not helping us with anything instead they keep sending invoices and you still wait forever to get a date for exam's. sacpcmp must fall.

(witbank, 2017-08-19)

#213

I don't need this thing. It ihas be a year am still wait to writing

(Witbank , 2017-08-19)

#215

I am a qualified safety officer and i oaid for my tuition why must i pay to prove that i am qualified. These people do nothing for me

(Witbank, 2017-08-19)

#216

This SACPCMP makes it difficult for us to get jobs even though you have all the relevant documents that are needed excluding only that registration. I'm just tired with all this because it is adding up on high unemployment rate.

(Cape Town , 2017-08-19)

#218

I'm not happy with the process of how this body operates.

(Port elizabeth, 2017-08-19)

#219

I think its a waste of time and money for safety officers with out any experience

(Eshowe, 2017-08-19)

#222

Because I don't need a board that can't manage itself, try to manage my knowledge and skill that I've already earned fairly. I've already proven that I'm capable of doing my job.

(Durban, 2017-08-19)

#223

Of the above reasons

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-19)

#224

Sacpcmp must fall

(Durban, 2017-08-19)

#227

this is a money making racket. No obviuos reason why tis is necessary except to enhance unemployment.

(Germiston, 2017-08-19)

#228

That nonsense must fall

(jhb, 2017-08-19)

#229

I feel as a SACPCMP is acting unfairly on us as we are unemployed safety officer but they expect us to register and maintain the registration which costs money that we do not have.

(Pretoria, 2017-08-19)

#231

The service of SACPCMP is realy bad. They don't reply on your mail but they do read it. Waiting for my certificate for almost 12 months now.

(Lephalale, 2017-08-19)

#232

I don't get any respond when I need help

(Lephalale, 2017-08-19)

#233

SACPCMP has caused us new the safety field difficulty in occupying a job cause of all the delays and disorganization of the SACPCMP.

(Pietermaritzburg, 2017-08-19)

#234

Affordability
And why do safety courses and pay so much and then pay again

Creating much more unemployment

(durban, 2017-08-19)

#235

The registration fees are so high and the industry needs to be regulated with regard to minimum salary and unqualified safety practitioners.

(Durban , 2017-08-19)

#238

SACPCMP Must Fall.They only care for themselves

(durban, 2017-08-19)

#239

I'm signing because... (optional)it's useless

(polokwane , 2017-08-19)

#241

I'm signing because... (optional) I'm one of the candidates who have been waiting to be assessed and called several times with no luck.

(Mthatha, 2017-08-19)

#242

Its too stressful we have studied already now we struggling to get jobs because we not registered

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-19)

#243

Im signing this petition for sacpcmp to fall since it does not have the interest tof assit safety officers

(Gauteng, 2017-08-19)

#245

Because it's been 18 months since they gave me confirmation letter, some of the post I do not qualify because they do not want confirmation but they want certificate. Sacpcmp must be shut because they are unreliable simply because when we call them they do not take our call nor responding our emails.

(sasolburg, 2017-08-19)

#247

We pay more money for nothing, no benefits or any kind. What will happen if I don't get hired and I can't maintain the yearly fee?

(Maseru, 2017-08-20)

#248

I see no benefit from the SACPCMP

(Durban, 2017-08-20)

#249

It's theft.......

(Nigel, 2017-08-20)

#250

A better service is need as I am still waiting for my registration certificate and have not received it but I have received a letter about next years fees really? Also this is just a e toll for safety officers as many client agents are working and don't meet criteria and also the people assisting us are not qualified enough to help us as they have no safety experience.

(Durban, 2017-08-20)

#252

I want a fair and transparent easily accessible body that is tace free. The fee is too expensive for people that are earning very little and yet when u call for assistance there is no one to assist or respond to your emails.

(Bronkhorstspruit , 2017-08-20)

#253

It's been almost a year waiting to write, don't even know where i will write since i am based in East London

(East London, 2017-08-20)

#255

I'm signing because I agree with the petition

(Pretoria , 2017-08-20)

#257

It's very difficult to register with the body because it needs you to have certain years of experience as safety profession while in contrast when post are advertised they want you to have it as a prerequisite...how will I get the registration when I am not working and how is gonna be possible to get work if I don't have it?
This is just another way of making it difficult for people to be employable!
SACPCMP MUST FALL

(Burgersfort, 2017-08-20)

#258

It discriminates against people like me who have studied and don't have experience to register and Get the experience for the job.

(Durban, 2017-08-20)

#260

I'm signing because it delays the employment process

(East rand, 2017-08-20)

#261

I'm signing because I've been waiting for my exam since 2015 August till to date nothing has been communicated with me. I've lost so much opportunity due to registration.

(Secunda , 2017-08-20)

#263

I can't afford the fees.. And I'm a breadwinner, single parent.. Can't get work if I'm registered.

(Durban, 2017-08-20)

#264

Safety Officers that work as contract workers have to cough up fees for seminars and courses from their own pockets, nothing is paid for by companies. There is no set standard rate for Safety Officers if we are to be registered a rate should be set for companies to adhere to.The assessment for Safety Officers should be changed.

(Stanger, 2017-08-20)

#270

I'm signing because I am not in favor of SACPCMP body.

(Klerksdorp, 2017-08-20)

#271

This is a real issue for HSE officers. How are we suppose to do our jobs without co operation from their side!??

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-20)

#272

I fully agree!

(Durban, 2017-08-20)

#274

SACPCMP has failed us, registered and paid in 2015 but still waiting

(cape town, 2017-08-21)

#277

I personally think SACPCMP was established to create unemployment!!!it's quite tricky to get it,takes long time etc... SACPCMP must fall!!!!

(Koppies, 2017-08-21)

#278

It's just not working ...especially been registered and employers want registered personnel but we get offered lousy, silly offers. The whole process has been undermind. Waste of time.

(Durban, 2017-08-21)

#279

I have also tried to phone their office and can't get through to anyone. Also, the fees are extremely high.

I feel that registering with an organisation like this should not determine whether you get a job or not.

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-21)

#286

I'm signing

(soweto, 2017-08-21)

#289

Chaos

(Witbank, 2017-08-21)

#290

Because I don't understand why must we pay to have jobs or pay or have to pay to use your knowledge.

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-21)

#291

I have submitted my registration, payed my fees, and since Nov 2016 have heard nothing from the after countless email send to them. Last week apparently according to them i need more experience. ja right, how can they judge that?

(Cape Town, 2017-08-21)

#292

I feel there is no value in this registration.

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-21)

#294

Am signing because SACPCMP is doing nothing for the SHE Officers

(Tswane, 2017-08-21)

#297

I'm signing because I did not get assistance when I was calling.

(Mthatha, 2017-08-21)

#300

Not happy no cominication

(Lephalale , 2017-08-21)

#302

I agree with the issues noted above

(Gauteng, 2017-08-21)

#304

I am signing this because SACPCMP collected money, but since 2015 I had no support from them. They lost my documents twice and is totally unsupportive via E-mails and no one available to support me telephonically, this poor so called professional entity is a disgrace to our safety professionals. I feel that this entity are not able to improve the quality of South African safety standards. SACPCMP planned to improve safety professionals knowledge and skill in South Africa but in stead they done the opposite. I am frustrated with them and have no faith in SACPCMP or their credibility as an professional entity.

(MIDDELBURG, 2017-08-21)

#307

I do not support SACPCMP. I have many years of experience but according to them I do not qualify as a safety officer. Imagine!

(Durban, 2017-08-21)

#308

We paid fees over a year and dont even get a reply as to when we write.

(Durban, 2017-08-21)

#311

The fee is extremely high and there are no benefits. SACPCMP does not find me work or even send my details to companies who are hirirng. When I am unemployed the fee still has to be paid yet I have no income which is highly unfair.

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-21)

#312

Delay in progress, poor service performance

(Middelburg, 2017-08-21)

#323

I'm signing because registration is expensive

(east London, 2017-08-22)

#324

I'm signing because I've failed to get any communication with SACPCMP pertaining my registration. Even after sending an email to the registrar.

(Durban, 2017-08-22)

#326

I do not understand why we should go through this process to be recognized as safety officers.

(Mpumalanga, 2017-08-22)

#327

Total waste of time to attempt to register. Those with years of experience are still waiting to be registered. Just another money making scam.

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-22)

#331

I've registered to be a candidate since 2009 only had my application accepted in 2012 mind you they never failed to invoice me all these years. Since 2012 they became a ghost town I don't even know what to submit and when to submit. And I decided not to pay my fees this time because clearly they are just bleeding me for nothing.

(Durban, 2017-08-22)

#332

The SACPCMP is not beneficial to the Safety Professionals in any way or form. We have paid lots of money but do not receive value adding service in return. The registration process is long, costly and very frustrating due to the incompetence of the Council.

(Lephalale, 2017-08-23)

#333

SACPCMP is not beneficial. We pay allot of money a year but get nothing in return.

(Lephalale, 2017-08-23)

#334

Not only does the process work but it costs money that most normal safety officers don't have lying around

(Durban , 2017-08-23)

#335

The SACPCMP is a money making gimmick some employees cant afford the fees and what about all the costs to obtain CPD points absolutely ridiculous I must say.

(Lephalale Limpopo, 2017-08-23)

#337

Before Safety officers had to register I admired SACPCMP as pure professional body but, since I applied in March 2015 and only got registered in June 2017 while other candidates working on the same project as I received certificates directly after paying examination fees. I had to change my opinion. This is no professional body. It is a corrupt, money chasing organisation, who flood the market with inexperienced people. They dont respond to emails and dont answer telephone calls. I think they must be scrapped and a trustworthy organisation must take over who can control the number of professionals in the market.

(Lephalale, 2017-08-23)

#339

SACPCMP is not a value adding service and is making huge profits while claiming to be a NPO.

(Doha, 2017-08-23)

#343

I'm signing this because, Safety is an honorable profession, and must a professional body to compliment it and support its members alike. With the feedback of several hundred applicants, the process is slow with zero to no support to the applicants and members.

(MIDDELBURG , 2017-08-23)

#347

I need SACPCMP to fall down

(Pretoria, 2017-08-23)

#348

SACPCMP only want what is due to them without any assist with regard to our personnel development. How have they help H&S professionals thus far? We have to bare all costs including for our COD points, yet they also want to regulate monthly salary structure with very low amounts. So how does this benefit us in anyway, especially looking at how our economy is going where we are constantly paying more on interest hikes for our general day to day needs?

(Durban, 2017-08-23)

#349

Against SACPCMP.
SACPCMP must fall.

(Nelspruit, 2017-08-23)

#350

I'm signing because... i missed out on a lot of job opportunities due to SACPCMP

(GAUTENG PRRTORIA, 2017-08-23)

#353

The annual fees are too high for Safety Officers

(Durban, 2017-08-23)

#355

I was told that some of my documents were not submitted, though it was delivered by hand. I am trying to re-submit outstanding documents. The online registration link does not accept my login particulars. To say the least, they have no idea what they are doing. I have tried numorious times to contact them wit no success.

(Lephalale, 2017-08-23)

#356

This institution is exploiting people, it takes forever to process people application holding us back in starting our careers in safety

(gauteng, 2017-08-23)

#357

Takes a life time to get a response from them

(Pretoria, 2017-08-23)

#360

Useless

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-23)

#361

Expensive and maintenance is too much

(Port Elizabeth , 2017-08-23)

#363

SACPCMP is rubbish

(Durban, 2017-08-23)

#364

T. Mkwanazi

(Johannesburg , 2017-08-23)

#365

I beleive its is a corrupt system SACPCMP is a money making scheme

(Durban, 2017-08-23)

#367

I'm signing this petition

(Pretoria, 2017-08-23)

#368

I am signing petition because of the high fees you charging and not helping anyhow,this is to bring down other officers while few are bennefiting

(Kimberley, 2017-08-23)

#369

Sacpcmp must fall

(Pietermaritzburg, 2017-08-23)

#372

Sacpcmp must fall

(Witbank, 2017-08-23)

#376

I have been contacting them and they are not responding and it is too expensive.

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-23)

#377

High fees being paid by people who are already being paid poor salaries, a high unemployment rate and people struggling to afford these prices.

(Nelspruit, 2017-08-23)

#383

I missed a permanent job yesterday after successfully being shortlisted. They said that I have enough experience and qualifications but they can't take me because of a stupid registration. SACPCMP MUST GO.

(Vanderbijlpark, 2017-08-23)

#384

I see the board as money making scheme

(Polokwane, 2017-08-23)

#385

I'm signing because this sacpcmp is preventing newly qualified personnel cannot be given the chance to practice the legal aspect of what they believe in.

(qwaqwa, 2017-08-23)

#386

This council doesn't make sense and it's unreasonable to officers

(Delmas, 2017-08-23)

#390

This is a collusion, money making scheme. Every company now wants SACPMPC. It must fall.

(Johannesburg, 2017-08-23)

#393

It's too expensive to pay and corruption.

(Gauteng , 2017-08-23)

#394

They never answered their phones. It takes us years to receive feedback. I have paid for examination but since the day of payment I have never heard from them. I just feel like the SACPCMP registration is here to take away bread for our kids.

We studied hard to be qualified the next thing now instead of celebrating our hard work we are just being tortured by this SACPCMP registration, I feel like it has come as torture to our lives.

(Gauteng, 2017-08-23)

#395

It's is anti competitive

(Vereeniging, 2017-08-23)

#397

I registered in 2015 and was told to reregister in 2016 because they cant find my application. Since then I had written numerous emails and calls without any success. I was then told they found both my applications in 2017. Received an email to write exams in Feb 2017
, I called again and was informed that my application is due for assessment? Pathetic unprofessional service.

(Trompwburg, 2017-08-24)

#399

Let us stop the wrecking ball known as the SACPCMP! 

We have drafted this petition with the intention of the abolishment, suspension or for a major overhaul within the SACPCMP organisation and council.

We have drafted a few concerns below, which we would like noted and acted upon, as some are significant concerns, and we have listed some suggestions of how we can try and resolve these issues once and for all.

1) Many of our members have complained that they have tried calling the SACPCMP and there has been no answer. I personally have called several times on different occasions but I only got through to an automated messaging system and not being able to speak to anyone at their offices. Many of our members have emailed their queries through but it takes weeks and even months to get a response.

I would suggest having a voice mail if the call is not answered with a call back service like (SARS).

There can also be a What's app number where people can be able to send their messages through and their issues can also be resolved through this process.

Another obvious solution would be to employ someone to manage the switchboards.

Regarding the email process I believe more people should have access to emails like a joint email address and also a pop up reminder with actions and feedback to everyone who has emailed the SACPCMP given them deadlines to close out queries.


2) Many members are waiting extremely long for their confirmation letters.

Suggestions: 
SACPCMP to employ additional assessors to review the Annexures, give feedback and confirmation letters in a much quicker time.

Utilise other third party assessors who specialise in reviewing these documents with specific issues mentioned within the Annexures where the candidates have not provided sufficient information. This way they know exactly what they need to rectify in order to be compliant and not merely given a letter stating they have not met all the criteria within the 9 points on their applications as this causes even more confusion.


3) Complete registration and exams taking too long due to back logs.

Suggestions: 
Once the assessment process has been completed the candidate should be issued with an exam date which should be able to be written at any library with access to a PC with Internet or at any satellite office around the country.

I know of people who had to drive over 1000 km's from their homes to write in Medupi because it was the closest venue for them to write at.

SACPCMP should be able to have a small branch at all Departments of Labour around the country and have exams taking place weekly around the country.

They could have mobile examination facilities moving around weekly and notifying people where they will be moving to next.

They can use independent training facilities around the country to allow people to write their exams there with CCTV cameras fitted in the facilities if they are concerned about cheating.

Utilise Skype for people in remote areas who can conduct oral examinations in different languages in order to verify their competency.


4) Candidates failing HSE Manager exams due to a lack of time.

Suggestion:
There should not be a time allocated to these exams as the examination should not be about how fast you can write but it should be to test ones understanding of the questions and if one can answer it correctly, as some people get nervous in a test or write slower than others etc.

There should be a discussion conducted individually and also as a group with a short presentation given on what they understand on the job.

Also most of the questions focuses on a few of the construction industry activities but it should cover a broad spectrum of the different industries within the Construction sectors of mechanical, electrical and civil and building scope.

Examination results should be issued to the candidates and marked so they can verify where they have lost marks and where they need to improve.

5) Many members see this as a political or ethnical system which has been implemented to push other races either forward or others down.

Others also see that some are trying to manipulate the system and control it from the inside and outside.

Suggestions:
Indicate when people have applied on the registration on the website and the status of their applications being publicly demonstrated.

Fair due process must be followed and adhered to and stringent measures to any assessors or moderators who are not being fair with their assessments and they should be removed from the council.

6) High fees being paid by people who are already being paid poor salaries, a high unemployment rate and people struggling to afford these prices.

Suggestions:
Being a Non profit organisation government can increase subsidies and in turn reduce the high prices.

Reduce overall fees from Safety officers to Agents and completely remove the charge on all Candidate safety officers.


Comments below from disgruntled Safety Professionals.

Safety officers are now required to register with the so called professional body SACPCMP. 
SOME OF us in the field have been trying to get registered from 2014 and have only experienced difficulty daily with this so called professional body.
Process: send through required documentation and if lucky they get back to you 2 years later I only have problems which they want you as an individual to solve.
People employed there have no clue as to what we that are registering need to do.


1. It has become an expense to register.
2. We feel registration is biased we feel that they are using the process to make people unemployed
3. How does one maintain registration when unemployed
4. We are all SAIOSH members and did not have these headaches when being registered 
4. Is the SACPCMP establish3d to create more unemployment 
5. SACPCMP is only for the elite from the previously advantaged

(Durban, 2017-08-24)