Суд над Бхагавад-гитой / Attempt to ban Bhagavad-gita

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#201

2011-12-16 23:21

Hare Krshna!

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#202

2011-12-16 23:23

It's absurd to ban Bhagavad-gita. People who are behind these attempts are extremists.

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#203

2011-12-16 23:23

The Bhagavad Gita is an essential book for all cultures.

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#204

2011-12-16 23:25

Немедленно прекратите этот суд над Бхагават-гитой! Это оскорбляет наши религиозные чувства!

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#205

2011-12-16 23:25

Я просто хочу поклоняться и любить Бога таким как он описан в Бхагават Гите.

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#206

2011-12-16 23:29

Действия томского суда незаконны, нелегетимны и оскорбительны для граждан РФ и Индии.

Государству гражданин передает только меньшую свою часть власти. Основная - остается у него. Ей он пользуется при голосовании на выборах и референдумах. Власть остается за народом. Государственные органы лишь пользуются переданной частью власти, для выполнения своих функций. Поэтому присвоение власти является преступлением.

Дорогие преданные. Судиться с этими упырями, это все равно, что играть с шуллером его краплеными картами. Но самое поганое в этой возьне то, что кому-то из "духовенства" это выгодно. Вспомните, как проиграли Пандавы в кости...

Нужно отзывать свои властные полномочия.

ЗАЯВЛЕНИЕ В СОВЕТ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ И ГОСДУМУ

Председателю Совета ФедерацииФедерального Собрания РФг-ну Миронову С.М.

от________________________(ФИО)проживающего(ей) по адресу:_____________________________(индекс, подробный почтовый адрес)

ЗАЯВЛЕНИЕ (пример)

Я, (ФИО), считаю деятельность исполнительной, законодательной, судебной власти, а так же местного самоуправления, в Российской Федерации, противоречащей моим убеждениям и взглядам на развитие нашей страны.
По моему мнению, деятельность высших руководителей страны не направлена на улучшение жизни граждан. Против народов России допускаются действия, со стороны власти, подпадающие под определение – геноцид.
Учитывая невозможность другого воздействия на властные органы, т.к. мои конституционные права безнаказанно нарушаются чиновниками разного уровня, и я ограничен в праве выбора политических партий различного спектра, официально заявляю:• - об отзыве своей части властных полномочий, переданных мной для управления государственным органам;• - в связи с отзывом своей части властных полномочий считаю полное соблюдение законов и конституционных норм, для себя, не приемлемым;• - оставляю за собой право действовать самостоятельно, не согласуясь с государственными организациями и органами местного самоуправления, согласно возникшей правовой ситуации.

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Действие по отзыву своей части властных полномочий гражданином РФ основано на статье 3 пп 1,2 Конституции РФ.Основой является принцип создания властных органов.Т.е. при рождении, от граждан РФ, ребенок наделяется своей частью властных полномочий. Государство не спрашивая его согласия, от его имени, присваивает его часть полномочий себе. Только в 18 лет оно предоставляет ему право пользоваться этой властью.


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#207

2011-12-16 23:31

It is needed to have Bhagavad Gita as it is , it is a book who told the truth about God! God is for every person important and God will love and protect ever person! It will give all persons Hope! And made the people strong for every land also! Krishna Consiousness is a religion who is over 5000 years old and absolut actually for this times also! It will good for every persons to come closer to god! haribol yhs

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#208

2011-12-16 23:32

Bhagawad Gita is necessary for peace of the world.. please do not ban

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#209

2011-12-16 23:37

Barbarians are those people who wants to ban such a famous book like the Gita which is read in all over the world and translated in many languages.It's a book spoken by God Himself for the sake of guiding humanity in their daily life activities independent of their creed.It has a scientific, economic,psychological aspect and helps you to solve all your day to day problems.Mahatma Gandhi said that whenever he is in distress he just open the Gita randomly and miraculously finds all the solutions of his obstacles.The Bhagavat Gita is the most ancient scripture in this world.500 years back the Muslim in Indian wanted to eradicate it but by the mercy Lord Chaitanya they could not.I doubt that now these mundane people will be able to do so.

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#210

2011-12-16 23:37

Мы требуем прекратить суд над священным писанием! Эта инициатива Томской прокуратуры задевает чувства верующих и позорит нашу страну!

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#211

2011-12-16 23:38

Я требую прекратить суд над священным писанием!

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#212

2011-12-16 23:39

Hare Krihna!!!!

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#213

2011-12-16 23:41

Hare Krihna!!!

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#214 Re:

2011-12-16 23:42

Right thoughts!!


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#215

2011-12-16 23:43

Это позор, полностью нарушающий права о свободе вероисповедания, о праве на свободу иметь собственное мнение, о свободе выбора и свободе слова.
Жаль, что сейчас такое время - вместо суда над преступниками - судят многовековой труд, призывающий людей стать честными, сочувствующими друг другу, уважающими жизнь во всех её проявлениях.
Fallen das
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#216

2011-12-16 23:44

Please, do not offend Krishna and Prabhupada. One who doesn't accept Krishna - he is mayavadi, offender. Thus he cannot be delivered for millions of kalpas (days/nights of Brahma. One day of Brahma equals to 8 600 000 000 human years). And one more important thing. Do you really think that Adolf Hitler's "My life" is as same as Bhagavad-Gita As It Is? I tell you: no. Because Hitler misused swastika, solar sun, and he can be a cause that parampara, disciplic succession was broken. Yes, Krishna told Bhagavad-Gita to sun-demigod, Vivasvan, millions of years ago, then it was retold to all people on Earth. But it was also lost at time of Hitler. And teacher, spiritual master of Prabhupada - Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati - he also sent his people to stop world war 2. But they didn't hear - Hitler had his own misconceptions of advaita vedanta, of mayavada. Hitler was never vegetarian. He killed many vegetarians (he killed vegetarian union of Germany in some 1930-es), and then killed many other people. Krishna is protector of cows, and Hitler is against cows and vegetarians. So Hitler and Prabhupada are just opposite ideas. Is this clear? We are agasint Hitler, we do not want that scripture which was told millions of years ago to our sun-demigod, Vivasvan, to be considered extrimist as Hitler. You may consider Bible Torah Quran etc extremist, because they sometimes allow killing cows (so Caitanya, avatara of Krishna said - killers of cow would go to hell - be they even muslims etc - doen't matter). Actually all scriptures are for nonviolence. And Caitanya also came not to kill. He is most merciful incarnation. Just guess - Jaya and Vijaya, two doorkeepers of Vaikuntha, spiritual world - they became demons asuras like Hiranyakashipu, and Vishnu killed those demons. But Caitanya is merciful - he showed his cakra to those Jagai and Madhai, but Nityananda said not to kill them. So even those past demons, which were killed by Vishnu, Supersoul, now became devotees by mercy of Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda. Lord Buddha is also avatara of Vishnu. So the best of nonviolence - that is also included in Krishna. Krishna is avatara of Vishnu, but this Vishnu (three Vishnus, including Mahavishnu, Garbhodakashayi Vishnu and Ksirodakashayi Vishnu) - they are all expansions of Krishna. So Krishna is source even of Buddha. Moreover, all shaktyavesha avataras, like Jesus and Mohammad - they are also coming from Krishna. Krishna is source of all, of everything. So after many millions of lifetimes, soul becomes devotee of Krishna. Those who want to claim that Krishna and His Gita is extrimistic literature are now under maya (illusion), and their hopes for liberation within this lifetime is very dark. How can one be atheist and then remember God positively at time of death? Impossible. Well, Kamsa, enemy of Krishna - he also considered that "Krishna, Krishna", but wanted to kill him. So Krishna killed Him. It is His mercy towards those demons asuras who are millions times worse then Hitler. Hitler killed millions of people, but those asuras like Hiranyakashipu killed even more 'souls' (figuratively - soul can't be killed, but we are against violence). So like this. Even this Kamsa - he became - he became Kazi. And this Kazi was muslim. But Caitanya said to Kazi - you should stop killing cows or you'll go to hell for that. Even Quran will not help if one is cow killer. So Kazi finally said - yes. And he also became devotee. Kazi wanted to stop Caitanya's movement, but Caitanya came to him in dream and showed His cakra and came as Nrisimhadeva, lion avatara and said - "do not touch devotees, or I'll kill you". So Kazi remembered his past deathes, and he ralized - yes, that Allah of Quran is actually Vishnu, Krishna, Caitanya. So there is no contradictions among all those religions. If we think that Allah is same God of all Abrahamic religions, then God of Torah, Bible - same God - ALLAH - that is also Vishnu or Krishna. At leat they are no worse than Narayana or Vaikuntha. All religions speak of God, who is above just a soul. They speak of Supersoul. Though they also criticise yoga, so bhakti or devotion to God is even higher. So all religions cannot be false. All religions are good. But there are gradations. At least one should not stand on position of atheist. Some people who cannot remember Krishna even as enemy, with jealosy (they may even think "I am God", "I am Krishna" but they cannot prove that, because they cannot breath out like Mahavishnu in a way so all material universes come from His body), - they go to hell. This is worst position of people like King Vena. It is also described in Vedas. So one should think like this: if we are told - not to do this - because it will be bad - then why to go against Holy Scriptures? And also you can see - even leaders of Brahma Madhava sampradaya - they say that Prabhupada is in disciplic succession. So you cannot claim that Prabhupada is just new religious sect, destructive or totalitarian, extrimistic etc. No. Even is so, suppose some may say that "Krishna is head of black demons, enemies of Buddha", but this doesn't mean that Krishna is demon. No. Krishna says in same Gita: "among demons - I am DEVOTED Prahlada". So Prahlada is born in family of demons, asuras, but he was a devotee. Just like one can be born in USRR, but not be atheist, but devotee of Krishna. Just like all those Hare Krishna people of USSR, who suffered in 80-es from Soviet people. They were forbidden to remain vegetarians. See - it is since USSR people were forced to ear meat. So USSR is as good or bad as Hitler - and those ideas should not be taken by Russian Church. If spiritual movemtns are quarreling - then atheism grows. If KRishna consiousness is forbidden etc then Russiian Church will also be forbidden and whole Russia will become worse than at time of Hitler and Stalin and all those demons like Hiranyakashipu all together. They were killing devotees, destorying temples. USSR made number of temples 10 times less, now you want to go on? Just at the time of Jesus - he was crucified by whom, jews? So similarly now Church is calling Krishna a demon, satan etc. But I tell you - He is among demons - a devotee. And this is full stop. Etiher you take side of good or evil. Krishna is all good. Vishnu means He is in full Goodness. Vishnu is above Brahma who is in passion, and above Shiva who is destructor. Vishnu is sustaining all universes. So consider what are you doing? rKrishna is source of millions and trillion of material and spiritual universe. Soul is going up and down on millions of planets within this one universe, and after many lifetimes (there are 8 400 000 kinds of material bodies, and human birth is so rare), one can come in touch with bona fide spiritual master. So. Actually there is no atheist in this world. So even those Hitlers Marx Lenin Mao Stalin etc - they are not atheists. And Krishna is certainly not demon nor satan not evil spirit. If you think so - then it is your illusion. It means you think that KRishna is imperfect. But one who thinks that Krishna is imperfect, in maya - he himself is in maya in illusion. So you are in illusion. You are in very ddep illusion that Bhagavad Gita, spoken by Supreme PErsonality of Godhead, who is spurce of all spiritual and material universe - that He is so bad like Hitler. Nothing like that. Krishna killed many demons like Hitler. Well, it is neverending, you just read Prabhupada's Gita As It Is and any of his books, listen his lectures. And you will understand that Prabhupada is saint aslo. Prabhupada is shaktyavesha avatara. This is idea. He is as good as Jesus and Mohammad. Probably even more merciful, because Prabhupada is shaktyavesha avatara of Lord Nityananda. Now, take mercy of Lord Nityananda - He is most merciful. He would come to one and say - pleace accept Lord Caitanya. Well, you can think anything of Krishna, but do not offend Lord Caitanya. Rejecting Lorc Caitanya is so dangerous. But well, Prabhupada represents Lord Caitanya as well. Caitanya came with this Hare Krishna mahamantra which is chanted by Lord Brahma. It was sang even by Beatles. So Brahma, creator of our material world, he said that KRishna is source of all sources. There are so many Brahmas. And all they are coming from Krishna. There are many avataras. Some may some into this brahmanda, material universe, some at other time. So KRishna comes once in day of Brahma. Once in 8 600 000 000 years. And Lord Caitanya comes even more rarer. He comes only once in 10 000 kalpas (12 000?). So that is very rare time that we live in. All human beings who are born now - they have some sukriti - spiritual good deeds before Shiva Brahma and Vishnu (Krishna). So maybe this is a play of Krishna and we cannot understand why He is doing so, by giving His mercy EXTREMELY. KRISHNA IS EXTREMELY MERCIFUL, BHAGAVD GITA AS IT IS IS EXTREMELY MERCIFUL BOOK. HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE. JAYA SRI KRISHNA CAITANYA PRABHU NITYANANDA SRI ADVAITA GADADHARA SRIVASADI GAURA BHAKTA VRINDA.

one more thing - do sankirtan revolution world wide. This is desire of Lord Caitanya -

Harinam Revolution Manifest By Aindra Prabhu

Please remember and I beseech you again and again, please remember, world wide ISKCON grassroots Nama Sankirtan revolution. Revolution means revolution. It means we have to shed pounds, and gallons and gallons of blood to get the job done. We have to turn this movement inside out, upside down whatever we have to do but we have to put Nama Sankirtan back into its rightful place of dignity in the forefront of our movement. It is absolutely essential and proper growth of our movement. Those who understood this, are awake in the need of the hour and those who haven’t understood this, are still sleeping.

It’s time to wake up and understand what is the responsibility of every man, woman and child in this movement, to take seriously that dharma when Lord Caitanya himself inaugurated for the deliverance for all fallen conditioned souls for the rest of the Kali Yuga. There is another 427,000 years left in Kali Yuga. And the Yuga dharma doesn’t change. The next yuga is Satya Yuga where contemplated peaceful meditation is where it stands.

But in Kali Yuga you got to get it fired up, every one of you fired up, chanting and dancing in your heart like you really mean it, like you really want the mercy of Lord Caitanya’s mercy, so that you can even think, even hope to go back home in this one lifetime. It’s not a joke, it is the real thing. So stand up and do what’s right, do the real thing, of one Nama Sankirtana daily, every day for as many hours as possible and you will get there, and I guarantee it. Not that I guarantee it, but Lord Caitanya guarantees it.



The most powerful process of getting suddha nama ruci is the loud congregational chanting of the holy names, much more so than Nama Japa. Nama Japa is like taking tablets and Nama Sankirtan is like an injection, you really need it bad because you are really sick. It you think you are not sick then you are in illusion, you need to take the medicine. And medicine means proper dosage and proper frequency. Not just little token lip service and little make show, and then anthropologically study in the scriptures and say “Oh, that was back in Lord Caitanya’s time.”

If you are chanting and dancing in Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement than basically you have understood the philosophy. And if you are not chanting and dancing in Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement, then you have simply not understood the philosophy.

JAGADISHA PANDITA DAS

#217

2011-12-16 23:48

na decada de 80 participei do movimento `LIBERDADE AOS HAREKRISHNAS SOVIETICOS`,E AGORA VOLTAM COM ESte preconceito DESCABIDO E FANATICO , , E ELES AINDA SE JULGAM UM PAIS QUE ESTA AVANÇANDO, CORTA A VODKA DELES , ESTAO TODOS MALUCOS , VIVA A LIBERDADE , DEIXE-NOS CANTAR HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, E SEJAMOS TODOS FELIZES , GOURANGA

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#218

2011-12-16 23:56

Председателю Государственной Думы
Федерального Собрания РФ
г-ну Грызлову Б.В.

от________________________
(ФИО)
проживающего(ей) по адресу:
_____________________________
(индекс, подробный почтовый адрес)

ЗАЯВЛЕНИЕ (пример)


Я, (ФИО), считаю деятельность исполнительной, законодательной, судебной власти, а так же местного самоуправления, в Российской Федерации, противоречащей моим убеждениям и взглядам на развитие нашей страны.

По моему мнению, деятельность высших руководителей страны не направлена на улучшение жизни граждан. Против народов России допускаются действия, со стороны власти, подпадающие под определение – геноцид.

Учитывая невозможность другого воздействия на властные органы, т.к. мои конституционные права безнаказанно нарушаются чиновниками разного уровня, и я ограничен в праве выбора политических партий различного спектра, официально заявляю:
• - об отзыве своей части властных полномочий, переданных мной для управления государственным органам;
• - в связи с отзывом своей части властных полномочий считаю полное соблюдение законов и конституционных норм, для себя, не приемлемым;
• - оставляю за собой право действовать самостоятельно, не согласуясь с государственными организациями и органами местного самоуправления, согласно возникшей правовой ситуации.


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Действие по отзыву своей части властных полномочий гражданином РФ основано на статье 3 пп 1,2 Конституции РФ.
Основой является принцип создания властных органов.
Т.е. при рождении, от граждан РФ, ребенок наделяется своей частью властных полномочий. Государство не спрашивая его согласия, от его имени, присваивает его часть полномочий себе. Только в 18 лет оно предоставляет ему право пользоваться этой властью.
Государству гражданин передает только меньшую свою часть власти. Основная - остается у него. Ей он пользуется при голосовании на выборах и референдумах. Власть остается за народом. Государственные органы лишь пользуются переданной частью власти, для выполнения своих функций.
Поэтому присвоение власти является преступлением.

Заявительный характер отзыва подтвержден Советом Федерации и Госдумой.
Верховный Суд, на запрос по данной теме, указал, что ни каких запретов или какого-то порядка при отзыве не существует.


Подача осуществляется лично в приемные СФ и ГД ( заявление в 3-х экземплярах ).

Почтой, с уведомлением, 4-ре экземпляра - два на имя Председателя Совета Федерации и два на имя Председателя ГД.
По одному возвращают заявителю.

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#219

2011-12-17 00:02

Hare Krihna!!!
Ishvara das

#220

2011-12-17 00:03

Есть древняя мудрость, что когда кому-то осталось жить недолго, он начинает совершать поступки, которые приближают его конец. Похоже, нынешней власти в России осталось недолго.
А "Бхагавад-гите" видно пришло время занять более достойное место в умах людей.

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#221

2011-12-17 00:05

Extremismo é tirar o direito das pessoas de poderem conhecer esta magnífica obra da antiga civilização védica.

Guest

#222

2011-12-17 00:06

Bhagwat Geeta teaches universal oneness and way to leave life and doen't teach to offend anyone. It is only religious free holy book on the earth.

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#223

2011-12-17 00:08

Нужно остановить суд над Бхагавад-Гитой в Томске!

Guest

#224

2011-12-17 00:10

Bhagavad Gita is the bible of the Hindus, and this particular translation has been renowned & praised by religionists & academics all over the world. The translation stands up to scrutiny and as such it's absurd that it's even considered for a ban.

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#225

2011-12-17 00:12

Все находится под контролем Кришны. Мы должны довериться Ему полностью и держаться всегда вместе, что бы не случилось... Давайте, просто, усилим наши молитвы, давайте чаще ходить в храм и воспевать хотя бы на несколько кругов больше, чем обычно, каждое утро и вечером перед сном желать всем любви и счастья всем без исключения... через процесс внутреннего саморазвития и очищения сердца мы способны исполнить миссию Чайтаньи Махабрабху и Его божественной милости Шрилы Гурудева.
Харе Кришна! Всем преданным и голосующим низкий поклон!



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